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Hathaway. ([personal profile] futurologists) wrote in [community profile] axiology2018-02-21 06:42 pm
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HANABIRA SOLUTION FORMAL ARGUMENTS

FORMAL ARGUMENTS

This is a follow-up to the proposal post, for characters to ICly argue to Youmi, Nama, and Doro why Hathaway's proposed solution is a good idea. The winning vote was to propose the empresses marry each other, so all arguments must be in support of this solution. Arguments are due 28 February 23:59 UTC.


WHAT DO I DO?
Submit a unique argument for why the empresses should marry in the comments below. Arguments must be between 50-250 words and must be submitted as a summary of what your character would ICly say. Characters may submit arguments in a group or solo. There will be a subthread for anyone looking to group up below!


UNIQUE ARGUMENT?
This means that your argument should not be for the same reasons as anyone else. Because each submission must be a unique argument, you may only be involved in one comment, so choose carefully!

For example, if the solution was to make the Hanabiran national animal a hamster, you could not argue it should be because hamsters are cute if that was already someone's argument; you must choose a different argument, such as hamsters' propensity for chewing wood would be a boon to the logging industry.

You may choose a related topic as well; for example, hamsters being cute because they are small if someone argued that hamsters are cute because they're soft.


WHAT ARGUMENTS NEED TO BE MADE?
Nama and Youmi must be given solid reasons why their marriage will benefit each empress and empire. If you need help thinking of something they could offer each other, looking over the dossier description of each empire may help.


THE SOLUTION WAS ALREADY VOTED ON. WHY DO WE NEED ARGUMENTS?
The mods will be using an algorithm to determine how effective the solution is. What the empresses think of it and how successful it is depends on both quantity and quality of the arguments, as well as other ~secret~ factors. In other words, if only one person submits an argument (and that argument is "because I like hamsters"), the solution will fail. So get brainstorming!


I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT, BUT I STILL WANT TO ARGUE FOR IT. CAN I?
Absolutely! Characters who decide to help the majority despite their qualms may certainly argue for it.


WHAT IF MY CHARACTER DOESN'T AGREE?
If your character wouldn't argue for the marriage solution, then they certainly don't have to! If they would actively argue against it or for a different solution, you may handwave that they did, but we are only accepting arguments for the winning solution.
sololoquy: (silence like a cancer grows)

REBEL SCUM

[personal profile] sololoquy 2018-02-22 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
The Star Wars(tm) support the marriage as a primary, but not a final solution. They will argue that the uprising will continue until they are somehow corralled, and will offer the guild’s assistance on the matter. :D
forcevisions: (i felt a lightness in my step)

[personal profile] forcevisions 2018-02-22 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
here are some collected concepts from the pre-dinner thread:
we understand why nama might be hesitant to accept the marriage: her society values strength through military victory, and the rebels at the heavenly summit prove it. they may struggle to accept marriage as a valid alternative path to peace, and as a young empress, she must consider that those rebels might see her as a traitor who is selling out their people by compromising with a clan that threatens their way of life and their sovereignty.

however, it's obvious nama doesn't want that, or she wouldn't have trusted us w the letters in the first place; she wants to cooperate with youmi, and so those seeking a military solution will never be satisfied.

what's more, the rebels are disorganized. they act out of fear to create chaos. a marriage will not satisfy them because no peace treatise at all would satisfy them; they have no demands to satisfy but their own panic over change. for that reason, should the empresses wed, ophelia will provide any necessary assistance to the already considerable efforts of their combined forces in putting down the uprising in the mountain clan.
take or leave what's useful.
Edited 2018-02-22 02:50 (UTC)
mitthrawnaruto: (arms that hold you close)

[personal profile] mitthrawnaruto 2018-02-22 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
did someone say rebels three times while gazing into their bathroom mirror at midnight

Thrawn's opinión is that additional efforts could absolutely be made to subdue any remaining rebels like you kids already pointed out, but that some focus should also be set aside for publicly reassuring the Mountain Clan's people that their traditions and way of life will continue on, despite the political shift, as a means to take the edge off the rebel's arguments/momentum/etc

if you're cool with that concept getting tacked on I can snap together a thing for cast review y/n/m?

forcevisions: (late at night)

[personal profile] forcevisions 2018-02-22 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
i support this addendum
forcevisions: (Is that the kinda way)

[personal profile] forcevisions 2018-02-22 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS DADDY
mitthrawnaruto: (I deliver hits)

[personal profile] mitthrawnaruto 2018-02-24 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
:)

refashioned: (Default)

[personal profile] refashioned 2018-02-22 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
i don't know what i expected when i clicked that
mitthrawnaruto: (while your world)

[personal profile] mitthrawnaruto 2018-02-24 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
considering how well you know me at this point I thought you'd have seen it coming

mitthrawnaruto: (Your points need bifocals)

[personal profile] mitthrawnaruto 2018-02-23 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok ok for real this time:

We understand why Empress Nama might hesitate to accept marriage as a suitable solution: her society values strength through victory, and the rebels at the heavenly summit reinforce this belief. It is entirely possible that they will struggle to view unification as a valid path to peace, and as a young empress, she must consider that those very same rebels might see her as a traitor who is selling out their people by compromising with a clan that threatens their way of life and their sovereignty. All evidence thus far suggests that these insurgents are poorly organized, unified by a sense of expectation and righteousness — this cannot be allowed to calcify into a single, organized movement rather than attempts at inciting chaos as punctuation for their singular demand.

Consider then that defying them in and of itself is an act of strength. One that must be thoroughly maintaned.

We therefore offer assurance that should the Empresses choose to wed, Ophelia will provide any necessary assistance to the already considerable efforts of both kingdom's combined forces in subduing any remaining resistance. Furthermore, focus must also be set aside for publicly reassuring the Mountain Clan's people that their traditions and way of life will continue on, despite this political shift, as a means to take the edge off the rebel's legitimacy and momentum.

We are confident that with the rebellion in check, and with prolonged encouragement from governing officials as relations between your kingdoms flourish, that this is indeed the best course of action for all parties involved.


I'm gonna be the first to admit that I am very much foggy on dayquil rn, so if anyone sees anything wonky in need of fixing or adjustment tell me and I'll totally make it happen!

forcevisions: (always talkin bout what he wants)

[personal profile] forcevisions 2018-02-23 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
i love this
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[personal profile] spiritgun 2018-02-24 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
yusuke would be v supportive of this
Edited (edits fussily) 2018-02-24 02:24 (UTC)
sololoquy: (hello darkness)

[personal profile] sololoquy 2018-02-25 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
yas
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[personal profile] militarized 2018-02-25 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
/thumbs up
sololoquy: (fools said i)

[personal profile] sololoquy 2018-02-22 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Kylo will grumble about it but at this point, if he is out numbered, he’d conceed
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[personal profile] refashioned 2018-02-22 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds great!
datapoint: (Default)

Re: REBEL SCUM

[personal profile] datapoint 2018-02-22 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
UNRELATED but if kylo ren is with the star wars group, does that leave aloy with the pearls? because i would like to use them in an argument c:
sololoquy: (i don't miss you at all)

Re: REBEL SCUM

[personal profile] sololoquy 2018-02-22 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
he is basicaly for marriage using the pearls for dowry nonsense with the caveat of hanging out to clear rebel scum but i dont see why they cant be used for multiple arguments, especially since they obtained them/that knowledge together c:
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Re: REBEL SCUM

[personal profile] datapoint 2018-02-22 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
OK COOL i was thinking of using them to support trade, as long as that doesn't overlap we should be golden :]b