This is a follow-up to the proposal post, for characters to ICly argue to Youmi, Nama, and Doro why Hathaway's proposed solution is a good idea. The winning vote was to propose the empresses marry each other, so all arguments must be in support of this solution. Arguments are due 28 February 23:59 UTC.
WHAT DO I DO?
Submit a unique argument for why the empresses should marry in the comments below. Arguments must be between 50-250 words and must be submitted as a summary of what your character would ICly say. Characters may submit arguments in a group or solo. There will be a subthread for anyone looking to group up below!
UNIQUE ARGUMENT?
This means that your argument should not be for the same reasons as anyone else. Because each submission must be a unique argument, you may only be involved in one comment, so choose carefully!
For example, if the solution was to make the Hanabiran national animal a hamster, you could not argue it should be because hamsters are cute if that was already someone's argument; you must choose a different argument, such as hamsters' propensity for chewing wood would be a boon to the logging industry.
You may choose a related topic as well; for example, hamsters being cute because they are small if someone argued that hamsters are cute because they're soft.
WHAT ARGUMENTS NEED TO BE MADE?
Nama and Youmi must be given solid reasons why their marriage will benefit each empress and empire. If you need help thinking of something they could offer each other, looking over the dossier description of each empire may help.
THE SOLUTION WAS ALREADY VOTED ON. WHY DO WE NEED ARGUMENTS?
The mods will be using an algorithm to determine how effective the solution is. What the empresses think of it and how successful it is depends on both quantity and quality of the arguments, as well as other ~secret~ factors. In other words, if only one person submits an argument (and that argument is "because I like hamsters"), the solution will fail. So get brainstorming!
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT, BUT I STILL WANT TO ARGUE FOR IT. CAN I?
Absolutely! Characters who decide to help the majority despite their qualms may certainly argue for it.
WHAT IF MY CHARACTER DOESN'T AGREE?
If your character wouldn't argue for the marriage solution, then they certainly don't have to! If they would actively argue against it or for a different solution, you may handwave that they did, but we are only accepting arguments for the winning solution.
Hi! Perhaps surprisingly, Veronica is actually looking to work with someone else who has more diplomacy experience than her to put forth an argument. I was thinking Daenerys because of the way things went on a log. Veronica could also do her own argument separate from that, but would be backing Dany's, too. Anyway, yes!
Kylo and a few other people who were feeling the marriage proposal were wanting to add on the caveat that theyd stay and help deal with the rebels — thoughts?
related to this addendum idk how the algorithm will work (i.e., if we should prioritize breaking up arguments over multiple comments / people suggesting) or not but that's something worth discussing about it too.
The Star Wars(tm) support the marriage as a primary, but not a final solution. They will argue that the uprising will continue until they are somehow corralled, and will offer the guild’s assistance on the matter. :D
here are some collected concepts from the pre-dinner thread:
we understand why nama might be hesitant to accept the marriage: her society values strength through military victory, and the rebels at the heavenly summit prove it. they may struggle to accept marriage as a valid alternative path to peace, and as a young empress, she must consider that those rebels might see her as a traitor who is selling out their people by compromising with a clan that threatens their way of life and their sovereignty.
however, it's obvious nama doesn't want that, or she wouldn't have trusted us w the letters in the first place; she wants to cooperate with youmi, and so those seeking a military solution will never be satisfied.
what's more, the rebels are disorganized. they act out of fear to create chaos. a marriage will not satisfy them because no peace treatise at all would satisfy them; they have no demands to satisfy but their own panic over change. for that reason, should the empresses wed, ophelia will provide any necessary assistance to the already considerable efforts of their combined forces in putting down the uprising in the mountain clan.
he is basicaly for marriage using the pearls for dowry nonsense with the caveat of hanging out to clear rebel scum but i dont see why they cant be used for multiple arguments, especially since they obtained them/that knowledge together c:
Aloy is going to argue that joining the empires will be beneficial for trade, specifically in regards to what the sea clan has to offer. If anyone else wants to group up, lmk! Even though she's not a Negotiator, Aloy is pretty good at using her words, but she could always use a buddy or three.
did someone say rebels three times while gazing into their bathroom mirror at midnight
Thrawn's opinión is that additional efforts could absolutely be made to subdue any remaining rebels like you kids already pointed out, but that some focus should also be set aside for publicly reassuring the Mountain Clan's people that their traditions and way of life will continue on, despite the political shift, as a means to take the edge off the rebel's arguments/momentum/etc
if you're cool with that concept getting tacked on I can snap together a thing for cast review y/n/m?
OK, so after seeing other people's approaches, Veronica would personally want to go the more emotional route—at least on the surface. Nama is in a position where she could use some assistance from a powerful ruler, and Youmi is lonely, and has been strong for many years. Nama had indicated an interest in reaching out, while Youmi accepted that. Not to be presumptuous, blah blah blah.
But she would want to talk about how these cultures can complement one another, and that they don't necessarily need to be treated as things to force together, but unique, powerful entities that can either grow together or take root in its own direction.
The list is as follows (consider these the pros!):
- Complementary trade goods (since someone else would be handling this, she'd just cover it) Complementary cultures (militaristic versus artistic - they can draw from one another in developing their own and uniquely fortified front) - Two women coming together will show their adherence to continuing and perpetuating the strength of a matriarchy, rather than possibly setting that aside because the sea clan is less rigid. - The progress of the Sea Clan and their innovation can only make the Mountain Clan stronger. - Meanwhile, the Mountain Clan will understand the significance of tradition, so that this idea of fostering two, unique identities and communities can be used as a strength rather than a weakness.
Overall, she would be emphasizing the idea of uniting their powers. Nama is a weaker ruler with a stronger military, while Youmi is a stronger ruler but with a less militarized group (albeit just as respectable—she wouldn't be out to offend Youmi). Their people have more to gain from one another than to lose. I think a lot of her proposal would have bullet points like the above, pointed out quickly, and then focusing on how to have the cultures blend, how they can benefit one another, how they can compromise so that both sides feel as if they're equally recognized, etc.
Some of the ideas are: rotating capitals, having people marry one another, maybe having culture festivals and exchanges. There can also be certain holidays to respect and celebrate the cultures of each country, and those holidays would be honored and respected in each. Perhaps educational institutions where children can go to the other side and learn art or vice versa with the military. Perhaps a fostering of educational institutions in general to encourage this. At first, there may be laws in order to foster the differences in how men are treated, so that people know they have to adhere the laws in a specific province/state/etc. I'm not sure how to go about this. But yes, a lot of it will be "you need to win over your people but really go via the children so that the future of your great nation can really bloom and flower" and so forth.
Rhys would want to focus on what Nama and Youmi could offer each other politically! For example, Youmi is a more experienced leader and Nama could learn from her, as well as have a strong leader behind all of the decisions she makes. Nama would also finally be able to get out from under her advisors' thumbs once she married Youmi. On the other hand, Nama is young and fresh with new ideas and likely more military experience, all of which Youmi could use.
If anyone else has anything political to mention (or just agrees with Rhys's points), I'm definitely up for grouping up!! c:
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