The argument interests both empresses, neither of which have had access to each other's unique resources since this conflict began. Especially persuasive is Aizawa, whose success in felling three ogres who were terrorizing goatherds has not gone unnoticed; even the empresses themselves have heard stories of the gnarled teeth his group took as proof. This earns him their respect and their ears. When the discussion ends, it's clear Aloy and Aizawa have done good work.